"Fujian Qihuang forum" fifth (NanPing Railway Station)

The minutes of the meeting, Wu Sword 2008-1-13

Modify - Yu Tiantai 2008-1-18

  Eight thirty in the morning of January 13, 2008, held in Fujian "Qihuang forum" in fifth session of the nine floor Nanping City People's hospital room (NanPing Railway Station) conference.

  Attend the meeting have Yang Chunbo (former dean, Fujian Province Second People's Hospital of spleen and stomach disease experts, the national vice chairman, Institute of traditional Chinese and Western medicine for Chen Yangrong (Fujian University of Traditional Chinese Medicine), former vice president of famous experts, febrile disease), Wu Kuanyu (vice president of the Fujian Province Second People's Hospital of traditional Chinese Medicine Department of internal medicine, expert), Lin Ying (former director, office of Province Health Department of traditional Chinese medicine traditional Chinese Medicine Society of the Secretary General), Huang Heng Qing (expert, spleen and stomach disease in Fujian Province Yang Lao academic successor), Lin Ping (Fujian Second People's hospital medical department director), Wang Wenrong (student director, people's Hospital of Fujian Province second, Yang old). Attend the meeting Nanping city traditional Chinese medical association leadership, deputy director of the Nanping Municipal Health Bureau yizhengke section chief Cai Zhongmo, Yang Liping, Dean of the College of traditional Chinese medicine, Nanping traditional Chinese medicine experts, director of the Nanping Municipal People's Hospital of traditional Chinese medicine experts and part science, part of Nanping City people's Hospital Medical School Leadership (Dong Lianghan, Wu Jian, Pan Lizhen, Lin Bin) etc.. The meeting chaired by President Wu Kuanyu.

  Speech of vice president Wu Kuanyu. First introduced the expert, this is the fifth period "Qihuang forum", in Fujian is actually Yang Lao initiated and advocated, is a lord. Hong Yang theory of TCM, to explore the road of development, rich folk activities. The forum is spontaneous, strongly supported by the industry personnel, and over a period of good. Already in the Fuzhou hospital, the second hospital, Quanzhou hospital for hospital, is not held on a regular basis. The fifth stage was invited to Nanping, by the city people's Hospital and Nanping City Institute of traditional Chinese medicine, Nanping....... Nanping City People's Hospital and Institute of Chinese medicine, Chinese medicine is concerned, the last time I check the Nanping City People's Hospital experience. "Traditional Chinese medicine forum", is a common Chinese medicine cries and calls for the cause of Chinese medicine, how to do the next step, especially academic activity in traditional Chinese medicine road. The basic purpose is not to discuss the policy, only academic discussion. (applause)

 

  President Yu Tiantai speech. Dean Wu more polite, he is also director of the Department of internal medicine of traditional Chinese medicine institute. Today is a memorable day for our Nanping traditional Chinese medicine industry, because of Fujian's "Qi Huang forum" was held in fifth period in our hospital, "Qi Huang forum" is Yang Lao initiated personally, once launched, a great response in the field of tcm. Yang Lao is the Nanping Chinese medicine care, the Fifth Forum on Nanping, believe that the development of traditional Chinese medicine in Nanping and the great action. Yang old line to the development of Chinese medicine and revitalization, hardworking, from Fuzhou to Nanping, we use the warm applause welcome, paid tribute to their spiritual (applause).

 

  Yang Chunbo of expert speech. "Fujian Qihuang forum", is actually a concern of Chinese construction of academic activities of the platform, I just take the light pen through breaking this piece of paper. This held ceremoniously in Nanping, is to encourage. As we all know, the most active Chinese activities at the grassroots level, development is started from the rural areas, they are the most abundant, the most vivid. We came to Nanping Tongren learning, learn and ask. "Fujian Qihuang forum" is a folk activities, is cry. By the great attention in the city of Nanping, and health leadership and learn to lead, and I thank you. You know, we came here mainly to learn from, also have discuss. The very profound cultural foundation, science everyone in Nanping, Song Ci was born here, Nanping is the cultural homeland. TCM Hospital of Nanping city the past is rich, Pan Lao, Wu Lao all is Nanping. Lin director's work in Nanping people's Hospital of Nanping, are very familiar with the contribution of every tree and bush, the people's Hospital of Nanping city of province is very large, we have a lot of reverence for Nanping, he also accepted the invitation of such activities. We invited the Provincial College of traditional Chinese medicine, provincial epidemic febrile disease experts, vice president Chen Yangrong accepted the invitation activities. Issues of concern, the development of traditional Chinese medicine China for over 2000 years, to the Republic of TCM should be eliminated, the new Chinese in China under the leadership of the Communist Party, established policy, the Constitution guarantees the development of traditional Chinese medicine, the State Council also have rules, General Secretary Hu 17 big report both Chinese and western, strengthen support, this comparison less seen in the past. Our atmosphere is relatively good, relatively large space. But the Chinese need to how to develop, the direction is unknown, at present to this state, need our care. In recent years, the State Council has taken measures, save the Chinese activities, choose the 500 traditional teaching, has 300. To increase the training of professionals of Chinese medicine to the city recently. The cultivation of clinical personnel, excellent TCM through the test, we in Fujian Province, 9, is now the eight champion, Wu bounteous vice president, Secretary Yu Tiantai is. In the selection, expert evaluation, the national exam, exam is in Beijing, very not easy. Three years of learning through the system, the Chinese literature, through clinical. There are currently three measures, the Ministry of science and technology "eleven five" project in the national 100 TCM, summarized the experience of old doctor of traditional Chinese medicine. The past research on the topic, Chinese medicine does not reflect the characteristic of tcm. The central take many measures, because the existence of a crisis, at present already achieved certain results.

  The TCM theory how development? Many newspapers and news media are discussed. Whether the Chinese medicine is a science? What is nature? But how development should be? Specifically how to do? Involving less. We and the vice president Wu Kuanyu said, activity is the folk, irregular, flow, free speech. What can be said, is a folk salon, mainly discusses how the development of TCM, not to discuss the problem of money, this is how to solve practical problems, not our solution. Of course, I am very happy, may apply to the director Cai said. Now I start breaking effect. Talk about some understanding, we can discuss, criticize and criticize.

 

  Director Lin Yingyuan speech. Thank the people's Hospital of Nanping City, this is my past work, I know much about ten County of Nanping City, many city such as Jianyang, Shaowu etc.. Chinese have a lot in the 60 years, I have received two batch, then preliminary, most Chinese children. Now is the only truth is very deep. We recently in folk medicine, Pucheng are famous. In the peaceful town of Shaowu to find the garden of insightful. Yang Lao launched, I am interested in Fuzhou, held a forum, I and everybody exchange, Chinese now meets the serious challenge. One is the old doctor of traditional Chinese medicine out consultation is very small. Do not attach importance to the Kuomintang, now we attach great importance to also appear such circumstance is should not, development and change of the society, the different needs of the masses, but Chinese medicine treasure house did not get to play, very sorry. The 9 champion, is several times the examination, take the plane to Beijing, examination, Nanping has one, this is not easy, I will not pass the examination. We have sent a total of 12, only 9; two is the traditional Chinese medicine has many practical problems, there are legal and regulatory issues, I need to cry with past experience of traditional Chinese medicine, in reality, this is not a simple question of money, nor the demonstration, is the key to academic problem; three is if the no hospital of traditional Chinese medicine, pressure from the masses, to government, cultivation of talents of traditional Chinese medicine hospital, do? Over the past three meetings, I could not lift their heads. The four is the last Fujian 9 Hospital of traditional Chinese medicine, Fujian now has 76 traditional Chinese medicine hospitals, 10000000 yuan of funds have focused on the use of. Thank you, thank you, dear Cai chief expert attending the meeting. Yang Ke Long a person is equal to the Bureau 5-6, use Sunday to listen, not easy. (applause)

 

  Yang Chunbo of expert speech. The core of Chinese traditional medicine is academic, if not, there is no good. At present the academic status is worried. I say, I want to discuss this issue.

A,About the problem of thinking. Because of several issues need to be considered, the doctor of traditional Chinese medicine is developed, or failure of death. But I think, now is the overall development of traditional Chinese medicine. Performance: one is to understand and treat now disease by traditional Chinese medicine in the past is not, because of the continuous development of Chinese medicine, there are many new problems, new diseases, such as encephalitis, SARS, Chinese medicine in the face of these new problems, and actively respond to; two is now a lot of Chinese medicine in the development, main and collateral channels, syndrome in the specification, acupuncture, was spread to the whole world, do a lot of work, greatly enriched Chinese content, progress. Three but in the course of development, Chinese Academic of serious westernization of danger, we don't really have a combination of Chinese and western, thought in the past is the development of the only road, many theories on West medicine. To bring the crisis to the Chinese academic, inevitably destroy. It is the traditional Chinese medicine with western medicine standard, many standard does not consider the characteristic of TCM, the combination of disease and syndrome, used to do. TCM diagnosis is the whole process, not a one-time finish. Such a model, Chinese medicine treatment has no effect, but also in accordance with western medicine, did not think of themselves as Chinese standard, with "the Bible" requirements "Sutra" as awkward, we Chinese and Taoist, all Chinese textbooks are such problems.

Two, traditional Chinese medicine in the world. Traditional Chinese medicine is to the world, or imported from abroad. Many to Chinese study reading and reading of foreigners, mostly to study Chinese medicine, if such a state, there are no people continue to China learning Chinese? The development of Hospital of traditional Chinese medicine is our country people's labor and wisdom of the results, her health concept, medical thought, the exact effect, caused a lot of national attention, especially by the western medicine to China accept, they study Chinese medicine, formed an upsurge. Even in some western countries government has also held Chinese medicine, considered valid, that is a new medical model, in the past American is complementary therapies, now admit that TCM is a complete scientific system of theory of subject, this knowledge is not easy, so it is called holistic medicine. I went to America last October, feeling good. In USA acupuncture popular, very hot outside, but in the China occurrence of drying. In foreign countries, in Hongkong, in Taiwan, Chinese medicine is not able to use western medicine (in the domestic Chinese are most afraid of is not able to open the medicine!) In the study, can only. Western medicine can Chinese, not subject to selection. The hospital of traditional Chinese medicine Westernization obvious, many doctors of traditional Chinese medicine is not opened, there can be talk of succession and innovation. In the past China Germans to study traditional Chinese medicine, but to the hospital, found that Chinese medicine is very few, the wards are in Benghazi, they think this is not good, have to learn not to the real medicine. Taiwan has many students want to learn Chinese, but they found the actual many western medicine ward. The year before last year, I went to the China Association of Chinese medicine meeting in Guangdong Province, said making a province traditional Chinese medicine, Taiwan a middle school teacher, Guangdong Hospital of traditional Chinese medicine, vice president to visit Taiwan to know him, he resigned to Guangdong to graduate, the night visit, he said, we now see, and in Taiwan to listen to different. Guangdong Province Traditional Chinese Medical Hospital has a very famous, Dean is very powerful, they do better, but their hospital still has many problems, it is the development of the West Hospital on the basis of the past, ward is the same problem. I have lost, if it goes on like this, the foreign student in the Chinese disappeared, there is no medicine right in Taiwan and Macao Chinese, so they can only open Chinese medicine, was able to develop, it is the world?

Three, the Chinese medicine is scientific? Many people already do not believe, humans need it? Since it is not science, why do they need? Some time ago a heated discussion. What is science? Have different meaning definition, science is objective, can know, legally, to guide practice and has proved. Chinese medicine is the dialectical medical overall, some say traditional science, some said that the practice of science, theory comes from practice, the effect is real, there are laws to comply with laws, can grasp, no rules can not be development. The development of traditional Chinese medicine is in the culture of the Chinese nation science and technology of soil on the west, look at the issue from another perspective, from the whole dynamic, the formation of medical thought and theoretical system of their. This is very important, the observation and sum up the basic rule of law, the macroscopic, microscopic changes, development. Traditional Chinese medicine is a science, different Western science, is the understanding of health and development issue from another angle. The human future development of traditional Chinese medicine.

Four,Traditional Chinese medicine can make the academic development. What development? Look at itself to the development of, or by other development. A science of traditional Chinese medicine have vitality, is there life, needs to have the health awareness, and conforms to the development rule of modern science. Chinese medicine should have reached, so she has the vitality, can have its own laws. Human activities have single factor, multiple; local, comprehensive; a stage, and all the....... Continuous development to reach the acme of perfection. Traditional Chinese medicine emphasizes human emotion, the relationship between people and nature, society and I think, the idea is advanced medical thought, conforms to the modern medicine from a single medical model, medical, psychological and social transition to the mode of modern hospital, to such development. Now medical method has not been able to solve the medical problems, the problems of human disease spectrum. Traditional Chinese medicine is the overall and dialectical understanding of health problems, traditional Chinese medicine can be able to develop along his own rules, this is the characteristic and advantage of science. But the human health and disease is found in many new situations, need to know and explore the TCM research, carried out by the modern means, to understand the health problems. Vice Premier Wu Yi attention "preventive treatment of disease". She put forward high requirements, improve the health level of Chinese, conducts the research from the angle of. As we all know, preventive treatment of disease is "Huangdi Neijing" proposed, on preventive treatment of disease...... Zhang Zhongjing, spleen preserving way, for gastropathy in research, "preventive treatment of disease" has the meaning: one is the prevention of disease, two had the disease development, three disease prevention of recurrence (recurrence). Now, the theory of traditional Chinese medicine to improve the quality of the Chinese nation. The Chinese medicine health food, combining static, she also special question. Traditional Chinese medicine is very rich in content, many thought very advanced. We can along the road to development.

Five, the present situation. Chinese academic has what problem? Appear westernized, simplified, low, degenerate cases. Treatment is more and more small, use rate is more and more low, learning Chinese is not willing to be chinese. Research shows the characteristics of traditional Chinese medicine is especially low, at present the country began to pay attention to. Traditional Chinese medicine teaching master is not much, especially less talent. In TCM, "simple and low-cost test" contributions to the society, but did not get the corresponding economic society. Although the social benefit is very good, but the economic benefit is poor. The hospital is very bitter, bitter Hospital of traditional Chinese medicine. Office of the hospital, hospital of traditional Chinese medicine more difficult. General hospital is the social and economic benefits are still, basically no problem, but the hospital of traditional Chinese medicine is difficult, mainly economic benefit is difficult, also need to have academic benefits, want to do is a problem. Cai director whether such. "Simple and low-cost test" with economic benefits, but does not reflect the distribution principle. The difficulty of Hospital of traditional Chinese medicine, is a voice. So, the 17 spiritual support for Chinese medicine, is now the children, need to support, this is the general secretary said. In the medical, scientific research, academic status, fully take the Western methods can not, many theories through practice, but not necessarily from the animal experiments. Dry mouth, like hot drinks, cold drinks and so on, the animal can't answer. Not the students of Academy of Fine Arts are painting, also need to tell the teacher painting. I want to raise a few questions. We discuss the problem of development, traditional Chinese medicine, Public opinions are divergent., twenty-first Century, more worried about the academic development of Chinese medicine. Basic, clinical, domestic, foreign, whether the Chinese medicine is a science, more content, the status quo, science and scientific advantages, research, inheritance, innovation, together is the. Of course, also have destroyed Chinese voice, even, some is to study the history of. These discussions are good for people to recognize Chinese medicine. Through the discussion, both sides have the academic development of traditional Chinese medicine of traditional Chinese medicine and Western medicine combined with the need to follow the law, research on the road is not the only. The people's Hospital of Nanping city's idea is very good, "the construction of strong characteristics of the large modern comprehensive hospital of traditional Chinese medicine" is worthy of our thinking and learning. Several explanations, western medicine is growing strong long in Chinese home, he also don't know a lot of things Chinese, they are not Chinese. The present development of traditional and modern medicine, this is in accordance with the law, the constitution is the law, against Chinese medicine is against the Constitution (applause!). Discussion two ideas, from the development of TCM, is a pure Chinese medicine, two is the combination of Chinese and Western medicine, traditional Chinese medicine and Western medicine curative effect than pure effect model. The development of Chinese and Western medicine and combined with the road not contradictory, go their separate ways, like a ship to Nanping, a highway, a train, the same. According to the law of development of traditional Chinese medicine. Research has been 50 years, combined with traditional Chinese medicine and Western medicine there is progress, but fail to achieve the expected goal. The traditional and modern for combination, also higher than that of their therapeutic effects, such vitality. Traditional Chinese medicine and Western medicine is the combination of? May not be the academic problem, it is economic benefit, because the medicine good economic benefit, Chinese medicine is not a kickback. I am Chinese, to participate in the national on spleen and stomach disease, or a combination of Chinese and Western Association of gastroenterology. The past of Beijing traditional Chinese Medicine Institute, digestive diseases. Are higher than those of traditional Chinese medicine and Western medicine have those? They were not able to answer. He is the very man of science, are now engaged in science there are many sell plaster. He discussed a kind of disease, how to break through the combination of Chinese and western, we can taste, can be chronic gastritis, he thinks the ulcerative colitis can do? Harbin city to. This issue reflects the combination of Chinese and western, 50 years, have not reached the goal, theory is combined with point, effect is higher than two, it is a very difficult thing. So although it is a road condition, but it is not the only way. We do not rule out the combination of Chinese and western, but the development of TCM academic itself is the most important, not the development of traditional Chinese medicine, can also and who combine, not a woman, men can only gay. Only together, to combine. At present, two academic are shrinking, but is the combination of not up, cannot clap with one hand. There are several options: one is according to TCM theory and method, the development of TCM academic, basic diagnosis, dialectical therapy, traditional Chinese medicine theory is found from the medical activity, although different, typhoid, weiqiyingxue theory, theory of damp heat. Including TCM tongue diagnosis, pulse diagnosis, further validation in clinical, cognitive meaning etc.. The two is based on the traditional theory and method, the continuous development of the past 2000, in different doctors clinical practice base, the sample is big is small, theory is theory, there is little theory. There are different adaptation scope, significance. Several problems, these clinical significance, meaning is much, need to be verified, as long as the heart can do. Now basically is the expert, no clinical broad-based, now many arguments not up. Textbooks are not clear, is and clinical from textbooks, a few experts wrote together, no clinical foundation. The three is based on the western theory, using western methods, establish the animal model, the formation of effective prescriptions, effective component monomer, according to western medicine theory, acupuncture, massage, massage guidance. Such as hypertension, TCM with western medicine theory of choice. Such as the Matrine treatment. The four is the theory of Chinese medicine and Western medicine, western medicine theory to judge, choose medicines etc.. Chengdu with indirubin in treatment of chronic leukemia is a typical Chinese achievements, there are many Chinese problem, Longdanxiegan pills, continue to study, find the indigo naturalis, on granulocyte can reduce, continue to find drugs, can increase the treatment of granulocyte. Now the health minister is Professor of blood, his father is a kidney specialist past Shanghai, found in the treatment of leukemia drug from arsenic. Five is the pure traditional Chinese medicine theory, using traditional and modern methods, were investigated by epidemiology method, questionnaire method, and observe the treatment results. Five methods, both with the TCM academic requirements, but also accords with the actual clinical target, or modern, then, according to the Chinese medicine theory, promote the development of traditional Chinese medicine with traditional and modern methods, is now more commonly used. The study of TCM syndrome without clinical basis, we do the work. Chronic gastritis, what card, is the base of the. The same disease, different seasons, not fixed.

Six,The Chinese medical mission. Take part in the academic activities of comrades, with leading comrades, including director Cai, hospital of traditional Chinese medicine, etc.. These are our Chinese medicine practitioners, is be one's unshirkable responsibility, Chinese soul in effect, features need to fully to reflect. The past studies of Western medicine for many years, the mice eat rhubarb, it can not tell us dizzy, can only have three index, a decreased food intake, body weakness (swimming test), loose stools. But with a different, non recovery is virtual, rhubarb is the formation of acute deficiency, people can embody, so different. Clinical is very important, is the main position. Traditional Chinese medicine is a medical, is to improve the effectiveness, is the understanding of modern traditional Chinese medicine for patients with, our mission, to construct the new thinking of Chinese medicine diagnosis and treatment, the transition from traditional to modern, what are the characteristics? The macro and micro, the body and the environment, combined with the adjustment and treatment, this is the new thinking. Don't leave the hospital construction of modern armed, past leadership that TCM is the three fingers and a pillow, also need the robe, now also need to suit. Now Chinese medicine and traditional Chinese medicine is completely different, the past is more macroscopic, now less, because the past no CT. The modern need to know, in the new problem, should face, don't evade, should know to solve. The new thinking is to consider the overall, but also consider the local, establish new thinking, leaving these desires development is very difficult. Efforts to expand the range of treatment, improve the curative effect, Chinese research, the advantage of traditional Chinese medicine, summarize the treatment of diseases is 50 years, counting. What is the Chinese medicine masterpiece, the disease need to combine, the Chinese themselves. Department director should also know these, Chinese medicine treatment of disease is less and less, we should seek truth from facts to see problems. The disease has no cure, many factors. Many young people do not know, ask why do Chinese medicine, why make an unnecessary move. One is to inherit, strengthen the theory study of traditional treatment, receive too little, in fact, the traditional Chinese medicine in the treatment of many, is not a simple Chinese herbal medicine, advanced cancer patients, Chinese medicine can not solve, and acupuncture, drugs for topical use, can, can improve patient survival, definitely not simple soup medicine. Two is to work hard in practice, constantly sum up experience, practice is the only standard, is able to improve and develop. Through the practice, to find new problems, improve the practice of Chinese medicine, to know and understand the. "Reading three years no disease can cure, cure three years the world has no available". Summary of practical experience, the doctor not necessarily have road, rich practice, should be summed up. The young doctor through practice to enhance understanding. There are two arguments of seasonal febrile disease, a symptom, is Xin Liang relieving, or by Xinwen jiebiao treatment method, how to solve? But the textbook knowledge of different. The old doctor of traditional Chinese medicine need to practice, not necessarily is the Fujian traditional Chinese medicine "," editor in chief here, sums up the experience also can have a chance, but also inevitable, treatment experience and some were summarized, which can Many drops of make an ocean. Fuzhou Nanping drink water, Nanping water is not good, not good water of Fuzhou. Three is to strengthen the scientific research, exploration and innovation, the case is a special experience, can not represent the general experience, experience can not replace special experience, scientific research, development, to innovation, our research is the study of the laws of science, to explore the unknown rules, our Chinese medicine research many do, they can engage in clinical investigation. Clinical significance of pulse diagnosis can be, what meaning, generally only for reference, we have studied. Under special circumstances, to judge significance. The prognosis, there will be. In those diseases and their significance is relatively large, and some have no meaning, there are many gold index. Not every Chinese can be, of different tasks, do do everything in one's power. Treatment of JE epidemic febrile disease, the past is warm, there are the spleen and stomach treatment. There are poor, rich, well-off gastropathy. Now a lot of disease is to eat, eat too much better. One should inherit, to innovation, countries jointly established the innovation and development of Chinese medicine program, inspired, objective evaluation, basic principles, combat target, in line with the traditional Chinese medicine need to, hopefully, the national attention, the report only two sentences, we believe that next year's report must be reflected. Sun Zhongshan said, the revolution has not yet succeeded, the comrade to. (applause!)

 

  Speech of vice president Wu Kuanyu. Yang Lao report, talk about the past, present, future, combined with the national leaders, strengthen the confidence. Because it is "Qi Huang forum" is the old Yang beginning, is an important concept, is you are not feeling, experience. Now each of said, have thought, have a problem, can say. Past studies, denied that the tongue and pulse theory. Fuzhou Chinese Forum, some people say that Chinese medicine can not open the western medicine, we did not have a meal, at present can only open the western medicine. Have no food to eat, how to develop.

 

  Talk to President Chen Yangrong. Everyone's point of view, what is the Chinese state. Everyone's point of view, decisive effect. Now, Yang Lao speech has been very comprehensive. I said a problem, everyone is from the grassroots, in addition to the people's Hospital of Nanping, have a certain scale and strength, equipment, personnel. It can be a higher level, different county hospital of traditional Chinese medicine, need concrete analysis. County Hospital of traditional Chinese medicine on the importance of clinical first, although not rural health centers, where more tough. Doctor go everywhere, the county is slightly higher, root is the first line, level can reflect, have a meal to eat. No characteristics of traditional Chinese medicine and Western medicine effect, followed by walk, don't eat. Traditional Chinese medicine is based, the graduates, if not the development characteristic, not have their own skills, competition and other difficulties. Cultural development and prosperity, is the distinctive. The stage needs skills to Chinese characteristic, can, can eat for a lifetime. Chinese medicine doctors don't cough, but also can be treated. Don't neglect minor ailments, according to the actual local treatment. Clinical can take out, people are learning Chinese medicine. Yin and yang are carried out, have the ability to make money. Effect is important, not the effect is not reliable, do not engage in a combination of Chinese and western. The past is proposed according to the combination of Western medicine. From theory to clinical, combining from clinical to theory, but not a very good combination of Chinese medicine and Western medicine additive, absolutely not. 60 in the abdomen, achieved good results, but now the abdomen without biliary ascariasis, because basically no, changes in disease spectrum. Despite the past together, but there is no theory. Pancreatitis, but no combination of Chinese traditional and Western medicine is good, no actual binding in place. Flashed on no, cross separated. We should think we now what things, immediate, practical, effect. Excellent skills, is a minor illness, there are economic benefits, everyone to eat, this is not wrong. Yang Laode high look heavy weight, they say, we can only know the state of train of thought, I have no way to debate. The debate for many years no results, is a waste of time. My energy is in clinical on, regardless of how changes in wind and rain, according to his own ideas, is to pay attention to the clinical. I began to not open the western a few years ago (past work in Peking Union Medical College Hospital), also more difficult disease in Western medicine. In medicine through the western medicine, in fact, already exists, but now they become. To choose their own foothold, his position. In order to survive, to seek development. Nanping City People's hospital strategic objectives is very good, is a good guide. The key in clinical, no effect, no patient to find you. If the effect of high up, stepping on the threshold. The development of scientific research, to the status and the environment, the forum is to talk about. Instructive Yang old speech, choose the direction is important. But, I think, grassroots development, in-depth study of 1-2 disease, as his lifelong service. His speech did not value, only to supply reference, is my.

 

  President Yu Tiantai speech. After listening to several leaders and experts reported speech, popular lessons. On the development of Chinese medicine, I want to talk about bit of shallow understanding and experience, make the bait. Inappropriate, please criticism. I think the medicine is the core of the clinical curative effect, the effect is a hard truth. And the development is the hard truth, for doctors, curative effect is a hard truth. The efficacy of Chinese medicine is good, it is advantage, is the vitality of. The vitality of root in the academic, academic is the clinical curative effect, improve the development of traditional Chinese medicine is the key. A strong belief, strengthen confidence, to cultivate the million irons Chinese medicine, Chinese medicine dedicated Yong, there is hope. Two is to bring up a large number of excellent clinicians, but to become an outstanding clinician, shall: (a) to read more books, read Read classic books, including four classic and medical records, medical records is the experience summary, can inspire the thinking of clinical diagnosis and treatment; the need to study the thinking, learning without thinking is useless, the state management traditional Chinese medicine, the Read classic books, clinical, and training teachers to participate in training, our very large harvest. (two) Guang Jie long, sucking their long, there are such achievements. Zhang Zhongjing is, "Treatise on Febrile Diseases". (three) more practical, medical science is a practical science, a doctor, year ginseng medicine diagnosis in 1000 cases above must have a harvest; (three) good experience, Chinese medicine is not only a medical, is a culture, is the unification of culture and science, embodies oriental culture and thinking, need understanding efforts, different Western medicine, has its own characteristics. Have the understanding, can rise. (five) often summary, smaller than a day, to a half year. We should organize, experience, lessons, it is good. (six) how speculative, more should reply, many diseases have changed, often reply, for coping with alternative. We can help the clinical work. Today many experts to Nanping, in order to revitalize the old Chinese medicine, Yang is 74 years old, for the Chinese medicine around shouting, worthy of admiration. Lin director for TCM make painstaking efforts, worth Jingxin Yang, it is worth learning. Studies in classic, becomes in the clinical, cannot rely on the policy and external environment. The boy said Chinese Is it right? Panda panda, if not in time, and can only eat bamboo, Chinese medicine if like pandas need to state law protection, is sure to death, to the key to survival is their own, for the only place, inaction, was expelled from the Chinese medical system. No, people don't need to. As long as we keep working hard, continuous development, rejuvenation of a certain point the day and await for it.

 

  Speech of vice president Wu Kuanyu. You speak freely, there is no right or wrong, say what all can. Traditional Chinese medicine can make it, thousands of years, is Chinese treasure, is the Beijing opera, or thousands of years how to. Philip Yang of TCM, to speak one's mind freely.

 

  Talk to President Chen Yangrong. "Shenmai" there is no use, also can change, society is the basic law. Can not solve all the problems, there are many problems can't be solved in Western medicine. He stayed in the West Hospital, later, return to the traditional Chinese medicine. Many clinical practice, five years to complete consciousness, only to open Chinese medicine, western medicine is not good I not speak. I adapt, or engage in the bank - Chinese medicine.

 

  Yang Chunbo of expert speech. On the effect of judgment, as we all know, nephropathy cure is not, proteinuria and the patient said, the effect is not good. Digestive ulcer, gastroscopy although good, but not good patient tongue, Chinese medicine, recurrence. Western medicine need to respect traditional Chinese medicine, Chinese medicine is not able to solve all problems.

 

  Speech of vice president Wu Kuanyu. The key is to solve the problem that what the effect of traditional Chinese medicine, to some, can make the patients with tumor survival, tumor existed, but the patient is still alive, there is a certain effect, western medicine to kill tumor, at the same time.

 

  Talk to President Chen Yangrong. Although we can do better, all the proteinuria disappeared, their families or to see several plus, don't think effect. Such request but the patient is not wrong, they put forward the higher requirements for traditional Chinese medicine. However, from the Western standards, western medicine thinks not cure nephritis. I see a lot of their clinical treatment of Western medicine is not good, I also see, can cure, the patient. Increases the Chinese medicine effect faster, better. I can only watch 60%, luck is 60% days. Seasonal febrile disease, nephritis diseases specialist, but many, hypertension, diabetes, acute and chronic, I used to be afraid of, the feel of the levels can not, what are the past, then felt no strength, different complications, not for me, I can only see the chronic nephritis, dialectical can not be. Begin 5 years without medicine, now look increasingly less. Inadequate, on the person in charge of, reduce disease, have to hold a few can solve, can solve the disease, is to seek truth from facts, no one can cure. The patient is getting less, the time is less and less. Since the raising effect, to medicine, to western medicine, patients with 5-6 drugs, 20-30 drugs, also need to have a dialectical, not capable of lowering blood pressure also need to change. Western medicine is dialectical, also have individual characteristics, the principle of evidence-based medicine is good, is the practical dialectics. They improve the effect, can survive. One thing is not, will not be able to survive.

 

  Li Biao Dean (Jianyang Hospital of traditional Chinese medicine, Fujian medical college graduated 89 years). Effect of judgment, as we all know. Western medicine is more and more trouble, gastric motility drugs, many say that variety, but not much available. The state and the province are the same. The meeting is very mysterious, it deceive myself. Clinical problems can not be solved, the actual problems can't be solved, at least 40-50% can not solve, this is the patient and doctor are upset, different hospital drugs are the same. To the hospital when the president, to accept the idea and concept of traditional Chinese medicine, see the tongue, is also not good digestion, the situation is different. Tongue though not speak, began to like Chinese, now infatuated with Chinese medicine, to Lin Commissioner chat, I said to the Chinese feelings, introduce me to the young and old. We as a doctor to cure diseases, hospitals need to talk about economic benefits, the differences between traditional Chinese medicine and modern hospital, our hospital is a product of industrialization, everyone is the medical chain link, the doctor on duty, the mood of patients is relatively large, it is cold, the doctor's words were different, not know what course to take, too more contact with people, different views of nature. Traditional Chinese medicine is the agricultural products of society, one packet in the end, but he knows everything, parents, environment, although not particularly effective, but patients feel is your doctor. After repeated consideration, must have the effect, the patient is very warm. The social background, economic income of understanding. As the medicine is the essence of the work, from the people's work, like a screw like certain adverse human services. Chinese medicine in the past, but only two can be collected and registered, the drug can be taken, no other economic benefits. The western system is different, CT, B ultrasound has economic benefits, link to generate economic benefits. The hospital management, needs to consider the problem, at present can not solve. Traditional Chinese medicine will be 15 yuan, 750 yuan in the province of gastric environment, traditional Chinese medicine how many patients do not have the money (to the province more money can be accepted, patient psychology), the past is a personal work, now the hospital has no way, people need a lot of, need a lot of money. Pure Chinese Medicine Hospital Road survival problems.

 

  Dean Deng Daozhen (Pucheng Hospital of Traditional Chinese Medicine). The past is to learn western medicine, graduating in 1985, to the hospital of traditional Chinese medicine is a layman, Chinese medicine is the study courses, while learning the two book, can be an open book exam. Don't say the development of hospital, in the hospital for 5 years, was one of Chinese medicine is the survival and development must start from the personnel training, the Chinese college students have no people to leave no successor, existing problem, start from the most basic education, which is the fundamental. Root is there, and they contact process (Science, western culture, so that graduates are schizophrenic). Xibuxi, does not, foundation is very poor, traditional Chinese medicine with western medicine have no, basic skills and is very poor, this is a foundation of development. Students' problem is the fundamental, is the hospital long-term strategy, we're not getting any younger. We can do many years, his 45. The development of traditional Chinese medicine to catch what, begins with the students, to formal. At present, the curriculum is not self development, there are many clinical medical education, the combination of Chinese and Western professional. The recruitment of a serious problem. Basic skills, basic theory. The tongue, pulse, like as I, basically no entry. Two is the Chinese team have no confidence. Three is the government has no real support Chinese medicine, should adjust the policy, is the real embodiment, most are slogans, is the humanistic care after, no benefits, mechanism has not a little change. Self development and survival, no matter how big the scale, about 5000000 yuan of income, to about 10000000 yuan, the money is still so much, 2008 worker wage increase, the burden of aggravating, simply can not survive. (Yang Lao Zhang Dejiang: Guangdong Province secretary, hope Chinese rejuvenation, situation is good, the provincial hospital of traditional Chinese medicine while the debt of 1 million, Secretary of stroke of a pen is solved, so the first leading health, leadership development is very important), strive for policy, need masters called, "Qi Huang forum" to civil appeal, to grass-roots enthusiasm, how tall calls for the support and development, is the decisive factor. (Wu vice president said: "in the third phase of Qihuang forum", the school is a social problem, university city land money from what place, University also need to survive, now on the hospital of traditional Chinese medicine concept, is a comprehensive, need to develop, need modernization. In the past we bought CT hospital, Department of health is not approved, now the patient to the hospital asked these, people need to CT, it doesn't matter examination, treatment as far as possible according to traditional Chinese medicine, we can share, both Chinese and Western medicine is medicine, not familiar with western medicine can not casually with western medicine, death is no problem, Chinese death patient trouble, not understand cannot open, talent is very important, many training professionals of Chinese Medicine), the Ministry of health is not to answer whether the hospital, Chinese medicine.

 

  Speech of vice president Wu Kuanyu. In many ways, the development of Chinese medicine hospital means, western medicine can use, why don't we can use, B ultrasound than western medicine, traditional Chinese medicine is not. The past is the used to be industrial product. "Huang Di Nei Jing" is not a Chinese, but the scientific summary. The government official, is used in the. Doctors of Chinese medicine can not be soup, doctor, bee wax, many folk effective therapy has been lost. Gastric environment treatment of Western medicine, can also be treated with traditional Chinese medicine. The development of hospital, medical staff have self-confidence, belly full, can talk about technology, theory, academic. Basic selling drugs mainly, this time for everyone to morale. No time for the hand, what good does not. The disease does not cure, not Chinese is not good, but not good. Ren Jixue: Traditional Chinese medicine 60 years before entry, it is flexible. Look at the common diseases, not to look at the sophisticated, should seek truth from facts. "SARS" of traditional Chinese medicine, many medical doctoral don't know what drug effect, TCM is not cure, is the core of treatment, adjustment of human body condition, through the treatment of disease. Adjusting physique, or immunity. Most people in traditional Chinese medicine.

 

  Director Lin Yingyuan speech, evidence-based guidance, promotion need foreign language, cadres need score, TCM was promoted to become modern medicine. The president likes to make money, president to pay attention to, which is oriented problem. What is the scientific research? The need of modern science and technology. Traditional Chinese medicine Cui Xiaorong, there are several into clinical. Scientific research should be combined with the traditional methods and modern methods. The editor is now beginning to recover. Traditional Chinese medicine case although no control, this is not good, but I can understand. So all the doctors can only go combine traditional Chinese and Western medicine, the traditional and modern methods of traditional Chinese medicine. For many years, has not become the economic benefit. Director of promotion, experienced and can only be a doctor. The traditional view is backward, but very effective, only 60 years old students, too late, but the retirement, no way, administrative guidance is different. Area of research can, county of clinical research, not all modern scientific research. Many environmental and conditions do not have, most fraud, false data, so the. Cai director, are not only scientific research, to see whether the true Kung fu. I used to train a part of people, research into clinical there is no, No. College of traditional Chinese medicine is very angry, the prize money, have promoted. Think impassability, present false medical doctors is very fragrant, really have no money on advertising, think impassability. Foreigners don't learn Chinese. I know a few fake doctor in Fuzhou, very rich, the CPPCC, are unwholesome tendencies. (Chen, vice president. Lin director is a good man, because it can't be...) Provincial People's Hospital, CT, can't buy. The Secretariat of the Central Committee according to modern scientific research method, leadership is not necessarily the truth, or have any mistake. The leadership of the policy level is high, out of the Secretariat of the Central Committee regulations three, has offended the leader. After 80 years, the Health Department considered traditional Chinese medicine also need equipment. At the meeting, everybody don't Chinese, the Secretary for the meeting. High wages, emergency can not see, 2.5 secondary technical school. Chinese director. We are not, said full. County leaders sent many relatives in the hospital. Cai director capable, Yang Kechang also can do. Nanping has several famous doctor, do have a development. The old expert method, Fujian traditional Chinese medicine. (applause!)

 

  Yang Liping section chief. Only personal speech, Health Bureau for over 10 years, feel very strong academic atmosphere of traditional Chinese medicine. I want to talk about Nanping's Chinese medicine problems, Nanping 10 hospital of traditional Chinese medicine, traditional Chinese Medicine Hospital of 1250 beds, is transferred to the township health centers, the foundation is relatively weak, are run with them. Talent team is weak, the most active country based, basically not, can only work in the county. The characteristics of traditional Chinese medicine specialty and advantage did not play, not play fist, only Nanping City People's Hospital play. The registration problem, we discuss the no use, needs the high level decision, Institute of traditional Chinese medicine and combination of Chinese and western, although there are 4 departments, traditional Chinese medicine and 18, I was out, but the registration problem to standardize, by others to determine, or regulating the better. At present Chinese Westernization is serious, we the people's Hospital of Nanping City, is also the western researchers, this evaluation is also. Policy needs support, needs the high level of appeal, administrative department is to support. We have to play to their advantages, specialties, each county should have. Should be included in the project, we, the gap is very big, medical characteristic. We evaluated 58 Fujian TCM doctors, 12, Nanping City People's hospital has 6 traditional Chinese medicine. I think if the development of traditional Chinese medicine, take combination of Chinese and Western medicine, 10 hospital of traditional Chinese medicine is the medicine, they say - more, many Dean has entered the role, other assimilation. At present, Chinese propaganda less. The dean is from general hospital dean. Feel that there is a lot of advantage, because proper tilt. I am the only one of my nine Municipal Health Bureau of medical affairs section chief in learning Chinese medicine.

 

  The speech delivered by deputy director Cai Zhongmo. Official jargon, is not necessary, in today "Qihuang forum" is honored very much, many benefits, higher level, a high academic level. Conference content is also very rich, traditional Chinese medicine theory, more inspired. I used to not know a little Chinese, although I am in charge of, medicine, specifically her Yang Liping. The development of traditional Chinese medicine in the face of difficulties, I knew, policy guidance, to no avail. No real attention. Let the Chinese director in a very difficult position, consider the survival problem first, Chinese people are people, basic necessities of life, the current policy is not equal, the development of traditional Chinese medicine is difficult. At present Chinese Westernization, consolidate and summarize the problems have become. 17 again, support and development of traditional Chinese medicine, really attach importance to this work. Last year the national health work meeting, Vice Premier Wu Yi speech, the meeting in person. Is a role, "Qi Huang forum" meeting, is in Nanping City, Nanping City, love, first, the Nanping Chinese medicine has certain position, through the "traditional Chinese medicine forum", I hope experts to Nanping guidance, the Nanping Chinese medicine has greater progress. On behalf of the Municipal Health Bureau said thank you, (applause!)

 

  Yang Chunbo of expert speech. Now tell you some advice, we come in contact with the learning experience, we feel very much, I have suggested, we should do the hospital of traditional Chinese medicine, has its own characteristics, each hospital has a masterpiece, the stage level, not Mei Lanfang, but as Mei Bao long level. Respect the academic development of traditional Chinese medicine, modern science is not armed, the economic problem, but an inevitable trend. Mr. Zhang Zhongjing is now a book is sure this, help us understanding into the macro, micro world, help us develop. Second, many things to buy, not can only around the macro, by means of modern science and technology, into the microscopic world, by showing the macro law. The United Nations a guidelines, macro micro dialectical dialectical standard, standard. Because, chronic gastritis and some increased, some not. Modern science and technology has helped, and the macro, and micro.

 

  Speech of vice president Wu Kuanyu. Yang old book, "modern Chinese medicine of digestive disease" has been published, traditional Chinese medicine not only dialectical, argue disease, look at the issue from multiple angles. In this regard, are discussed. "Traditional Chinese medicine forum" quite good, I feel the discussion today, especially in the development of traditional Chinese medicine and modern medicine, better understanding, Dean, administrative leadership, there is a better understanding of. Traditional Chinese medicine can not say our, behind closed doors, we should intensify propaganda, development means, traditional Chinese medicine has a lot of good things. Yang said the old, traditional Chinese Medicine Hospital of all, flat had only atrophy, the development is the hard truth, there is a need for development goals, the past has the word, the more unique, more development, no one I have, I have fine. Everyone should have a certain skill, Guangxi Liuzhou Hospital of traditional Chinese medicine of TCM Dean said, the house is a stage, excitement is not busy, the key to see if there is no star, the hospital is a stage, also need to be a star, some past is the star, some of their own hands, please star, a star is bright, hope. This also involves the problem, seek talent, we really need to have expertise personnel training. The characteristics of Chinese medicine in township hospitals, can not eat, should cultivate talents. There is a hospital with a young doctor learn acupuncture, a person will have half the hospitals, the level is not high, but the strengths, solving practical problems. I participate in the evaluation of Nanping Chinese medicine talent, can enter is not easy. We are learning, we to learn Chinese for Yang. The old minister said 10 years ago, in a word, Chinese basic, a job, two defend the base, three to find the characteristic, seek the development of hospital.

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